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Martha4545
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: Obama in Camp David while Bush visits wounded soldiers |
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I guess our ex-president cares more for those wounded in Ft. Hood then the O.
http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html
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randi
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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but martha, he's busy. he's trying to pass health care, decide what to do about afgah, promote the demo's, run the country.
he can't be running down here to texas because some soldiers get killed.
c'mon...
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Martha4545
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| randi wrote: | but martha, he's busy. he's trying to pass health care, decide what to do about afgah, promote the demo's, run the country.
he can't be running down here to texas because some soldiers get killed.
c'mon... |
I know. What was I thinking?...but wait randi, he's the messiah. Can't he be in more then one place at the same time? Can he bi-locate? Ahhh, it's that compassionate liberal heart.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I know everyone will consider it nitpicking...
My dad is Cherokee. Maybe a third of my family (cousins, aunts, uncles, my grandmother before she passed) lived or lives either on a reservation or near it.
The fact that he made little jokes and platitudes about his conference to the first nations BEFORE EVEN ADDRESSING FORT HOOD made me and my LIFE-TIME MILITARY RETIRED VET DAD sick.
I don't even think it was intentional. He's that clueless, sloppy, and inexperienced.
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Martha4545
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ShandaLear wrote: | I know everyone will consider it nitpicking...
My dad is Cherokee. Maybe a third of my family (cousins, aunts, uncles, my grandmother before she passed) lived or lives either on a reservation or near it.
The fact that he made little jokes and platitudes about his conference to the first nations BEFORE EVEN ADDRESSING FORT HOOD made me and my LIFE-TIME MILITARY RETIRED VET DAD sick.
I don't even think it was intentional. He's that clueless, sloppy, and inexperienced. |
It made a lot of people in my family that are military angry as well. Obozo is very insensative.
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randi
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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our best friends in oklahoma are i think, cherokee, but i'm not sure. they also have a son, an officer in the army.
they said they could not believe he only spoke a minute or two about ft hood and said something like "let's not go crazy, let's be rationale, etc' or something to that effect. the conference was just another camera opt.
then he on talking about something else.
but you have to give credit to President and Lara Bush. They went on friday, the next day, and spent a considerable amount of time at the hospital and visiting with the families. they asked for no coverage and no press.
sorry, gang, but that says volumes.
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krisk
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Lets see how many times did Bush go to Dover to pay his respects to the coffins of soldiers that he sent into an unnecessary war in Iraq.......none.
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Martha4545
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| krisk wrote: | | Lets see how many times did Bush go to Dover to pay his respects to the coffins of soldiers that he sent into an unnecessary war in Iraq.......none. |
He probably did it but unlike Obama didn't use it as a photo op. How about those soldiers being killed in Afghanistan? Obama is sending them there on a unnecessary war. We're still in Iraq. Didn't he promise to bring the soldiers back from Iraq? Like always you guys are clueless and don't have a leg to stand on.
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krisk
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| Martha4545 wrote: | | krisk wrote: | | Lets see how many times did Bush go to Dover to pay his respects to the coffins of soldiers that he sent into an unnecessary war in Iraq.......none. |
He probably did it but unlike Obama didn't use it as a photo op. . |
He "probably did it"? No he did not. Not once.
Ahhh, you mean unlike the photo-op of "Mission Accomplished" when it wasn't. Yeah, that was some flashy photo-op, too bad it wasn't true.
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michelle2
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ShandaLear wrote: | I know everyone will consider it nitpicking...
My dad is Cherokee. Maybe a third of my family (cousins, aunts, uncles, my grandmother before she passed) lived or lives either on a reservation or near it.
The fact that he made little jokes and platitudes about his conference to the first nations BEFORE EVEN ADDRESSING FORT HOOD made me and my LIFE-TIME MILITARY RETIRED VET DAD sick.
I don't even think it was intentional. He's that clueless, sloppy, and inexperienced. |
You're right, it's nitpicking. There's nothing Obama could do that you guys wouldn't criticize, so such criticism comes off as pretty small. |
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Judy G.
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| ShandaLear wrote: | I know everyone will consider it nitpicking...
My dad is Cherokee. Maybe a third of my family (cousins, aunts, uncles, my grandmother before she passed) lived or lives either on a reservation or near it.
The fact that he made little jokes and platitudes about his conference to the first nations BEFORE EVEN ADDRESSING FORT HOOD made me and my LIFE-TIME MILITARY RETIRED VET DAD sick.
I don't even think it was intentional. He's that clueless, sloppy, and inexperienced. |
He is immature. After all, he is the man-child president who is full of himself.
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Miranda731
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| randi wrote: | but martha, he's busy. he's trying to pass health care, decide what to do about afgah, promote the demo's, run the country.
he can't be running down here to texas because some soldiers get killed.
c'mon... |
Actually he will go to TX, it will be announced, he'll probably slightly delay his Tokyo trip. And let's be honest here, Bush is right there living in TX now.
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randi
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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considering the scope of this travesty, he should have come down here.
yes, bush is closer, but hey let's face it. bush cares more about the military than o does.
when soldiers die on us soil, the president should appear, considering how many died.
i don't look for him to come down here.
it's already been several days and he's not mentioned it again, not once.
oh well, business as usual.
let's all do healthcare.
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ShandaLear
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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I will also point out that the victims' families asked NOT to have visits to the caskets... and that many, many military families prefer no Dover visits from officials.
If it were my family I would really not want them exploited that way. Which is why I don't think Obama's visit was appropriate and thought Bush and others were right to stay away.
It should be a private moment, not a photo-op.
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krisk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ShandaLear wrote: | I will also point out that the victims' families asked NOT to have visits to the caskets... and that many, many military families prefer no Dover visits from officials.
If it were my family I would really not want them exploited that way. Which is why I don't think Obama's visit was appropriate and thought Bush and others were right to stay away.
It should be a private moment, not a photo-op. |
Point out what you want, it isn't completely true.
The Griffen family gave their permission for the transfer of their son's body be filmed, and that was all that was filmed.
Again, as for photo-ops you can't compare with what Bush did.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/president-obama-pays-respect-to-fallen-troops-at-dover-air-force-base.html
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krisk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| randi wrote: | considering the scope of this travesty, he should have come down here.
yes, bush is closer, but hey let's face it. bush cares more about the military than o does.
when soldiers die on us soil, the president should appear, considering how many died.
i don't look for him to come down here.
it's already been several days and he's not mentioned it again, not once.
oh well, business as usual.
let's all do healthcare. |
Absolutely, lets do health care since thousands die each year from lack of health care.
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Miranda731
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/07/obama-mourns-fort-hood-soldiers-in-weekly-address/
has the text of his speech as well as mention of his plans to attend a memorial service.
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randi
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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attending a memorial service after the fact where the press would all be available is not the same thing as visiting the families and the wounded in the hospital.
i guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Miranda731
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If the families don't want press there, they probably won't be. And the President can hardly drop everything on his schedule to rush off, but I'm sure if he's at the fort he'll stop in at the hospital too.
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krisk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| randi wrote: | attending a memorial service after the fact where the press would all be available is not the same thing as visiting the families and the wounded in the hospital.
i guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. |
Yes, we can agree to disagree. Again, how many times did Bush pay his respects to any of the fallen at Dover? None.
When Katrina hit, the city of NO was decimated, then two days later Bush did a fly over. That was some photo-op.
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